[HeritageLt]

Rick, listen to me my friend. The accuser of the brethen will continue to just pound and pound and pound. The accuser will continue to make very degrading remarks about you. The accuser will tell you you have no value. But I say this to you. The words spoken over you have no power! No power. They are not even clever. Just the same ole insults over and over. I have seen others correct you in a Godly fashion and seen your heart as you admit your information may not be correct. None of us get it right 100% of the time. I was there on the front line as you say and I sometimes make mistakes. Those are not lies as some may say. Just mistakes. Like you when I've been shown the error I will do everything I can to correct it. Don't be discouraged. You are a blessing to many.

[Rick4404]

Thanks for the nice words, Gary is it? Believe me, the insults that Lady Star has barraged me with are tame as opposed to what I get slammed with from time to time at work. I have been in one form of retail sales or another for the last 20 years or so; therefore I too can say "I've seen it all!" The least she can do is come up with something more original for gosh sakes.

I work for one of the major U.S. wireless telephone companies in their technical services area of the business. So whenever someone's cell phone goes on the blink, myself and my co-workers are the first to know about it. I too am on the "front lines" as it were, since I work in one of said wireless company's retail stores located at one of the shopping malls in our city. I am prevented by company policy from disclosing the name of the company, but suffice to say it's one of the major wireless companies in America.

Boy...some people even get violent when their cell phones have problems. Too many people take their cell phones too darned personally. Sheesh...it's just a cell phone. Anyway...But I agree, words from the accuser have no power whatsoever.

Well, since we've now completely gone off the subject of PTL and Heritage USA...

God bless you.

Rick

[Lady Star]

I was ALSO here on the PTL " front lines " and moreover I am still here on what was Heritage/USA I saw what WAS, and my eyes still sees what IS.

Folks, Please understand that when I speak about " lies " it is pertaining to the MEDIA LIES, and IF they were " LIES " when published then by the MEDIA, and they are reposted by someone else , they are just the SAME-O-SAME-O-lies and......hurt and wound just the same as they did the first time around and NOTHING changes about them and.....there is NO senseable reason they should be regurgitated over and over again and again.

Lt, It appears that your suspenders came loose and gave you a sharp sting, hope there was no permanent injury! be advised that, none of the above or previous statements were made about YOU or to YOU or for YOU.

Yes, it appears that you have ( lost your subject pertaining to PTL! ) indeed I am NOT at all suprised.




My BESTEST to all of you!

[HeritageLt]

Rick, I'm Jerald. I don't like the reposting of old news articles either but don't feel the need to get nasty about it. This should be an area where all points of views can be heard without resulting in really childish name calling. And the personal attacks are just so uncalled for. Got caught up in it myself. It's so easy. Really takes no effort to fall into that sort of thing. I'm trying to be more real with others and myself and God and find that most things I really want to blast others about are so small in comparison to the things I need to work on myself. Was talking the other day with a guy we both know very well and ask him if he was not tired of hearing another party all the time saying that he found out who his friends really were in all of this. He knows the other party is talking about him when he makes that statement. His answer really surprised me. He said no. In fact he felt God was reminding him what kind of a friend he really was. His point was that it really did not matter if we ever found out who our friends are. It is more important that we find out what kind of friend we are. I've been chewing on that for over a week. Profound.

[Rick4404]

Thanks, Jerald. I stand corrected about your name. I must have confused you with someone else whose name is Gary and mentioned he was also a part of Don Hardister's security staff at Heritage USA.

[lovespirit]

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Rodney

[justlookinghere]

I hope I am doing this right. Forgive me if not. This is my first. I worked at PTL back in the 80's. I loved it so much. Was a special time in my life. I have lost contact with two different people. I was wondering if anyone knows the whereabouts or how to get in contact with them. Art Parker and Tommy Martin, thanks so much if you can help me. Aaron.

[SM1961]

Where did they work and what years?
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[toddbarwick]

After PTL & Heritage USA closed, Art Parker worked at the Charleston (South Carolina) Marriott, now known as the Sheraton North Charleston. It's a long shot, but you may try there to see if he still is employed.

[moveradams]

There is a possibility that the entire music archives of the PTL club will be for sale. This is about 6 tractor trailer loads of original video footage.
If there is anyone out there who may have an interest, I will try to get you in touch with the proper parties.
moveradams@aol.com

[Psalms91]

Jesus Christ told His apostles to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in His name. Most people who are familiar with the Bible realize those apostles zealously embarked on that mission. Their converts were first called Christians in the city of Antioch (Acts 11:26). Since then, so many people have been born or converted into the hundreds of denominations known collectively as "Christianity" that it is one of the world's most popular and dominant religions.

People assume that all, or at least almost all, who bear the name Christian follow the beliefs, teachings and practices of Jesus Christ. But the Bible tells us that not everyone who accepts the name of Christ is really a Christian.

Jesus predicted that some would claim His name but deny Him by their actions. He said they would "call Me 'Lord, Lord,'" but "not do the things which I say" (Luke 6:46). Christ and His apostles spoke of false prophets, false apostles and false brethren. They revealed that two opposing ostensibly Christian religions would emerge. One—the Church Jesus founded—would be led by God's Spirit and remain faithful to His teachings. The other—guided and influenced by a different spirit—would accept the name of Christ but twist His teachings to create a convincing counterfeit of the true Church of God.

Both would use Christ's name and claim His authority. Both would perform works that would outwardly appear good and right. Both would claim to be following Christ's true teachings. But only one would faithfully represent its founder, Jesus Christ. The other would capture the minds and hearts of humanity by attaching the name of Christ to biblically insupportable religious customs and doctrines that Jesus and His apostles neither practiced nor approved.

The apostles repeatedly warned Jesus' followers to beware of false teachers who would introduce counterfeit-Christian beliefs. Jesus Himself warned: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name . . .Jack Coe, Oral Roberts, and William Branham, A A Allen,After Allen’s death in 1970, Reverend Don Stewart became head of the association,Kathryn Johanna Kuhlman Kuhlman met evangelist Burroughs A. Waltrip, whom she invited to preach at the Denver Tabernacle where she was the founder and pastor. Waltrip left his wife to be with Kuhlman, and after his divorce was final, married her in October 1938.Benny Hinn attended one of her "healing crusades", which was a catalyst for his ministry, Rodney Howard-Browne, RANDY AND PAULA WHITE, Toronto Blessing,ORAL ROBERTS,Karl Strader,Billy Graham,Jim Bakker, W.V.Grant,
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Christian News Today - News,Cnt Editorial,Cnt Comments and will deceive many" (Matthew 24:4-5).

The New Testament presents a concise historical sketch of the roots of these two religions that profess to be Christian—one real, one counterfeit. Christ's apostles described the origin of each and their fundamental characteristics.

We have already examined the apostles' description of the Church Jesus founded. Now let's look at the record they left us of another supposedly Christian religion—one that distorted and corrupted the truth and grew to become far more powerful and influential than the small Church Jesus promised would never die out.

Teaching the traditions of men

Where do most churches get their teachings and practices? Most of their members assume they come from the Bible or from Jesus Christ Himself. But do they? Jesus commanded His apostles to teach others exactly what He had taught—"teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:20, NIV). He condemned the replacing of God's commandments with traditions and human reason. Speaking to the Pharisees, He said, "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men . . . All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition" (Mark 7:8-9).

Jesus taught that His Church should keep the commandments of God: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). He warned: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied [preached] in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:22-23). He knew that false teachers would arise who would reject the commandments of God for a distorted gospel of no law—lawlessness!

Like Jesus, the apostles consistently taught obedience to God. Peter and the other apostles risked their lives to make it clear that "we ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). Paul expressed the same commitment he shared with the other apostles—of a life of obedience. "Through him [Christ] and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith" (Romans 1:5, NIV).

Paul later cautioned members of the congregation in Colosse to hold fast to what he had taught them. "As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught . . ." (Colossians 2:6-7).

Following Christ's example, Paul warned the Colossians not to accept traditions as replacements for the commandments of God: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ" (Colossians 2:8; compare Mark 7:8-9, 13).

Why did Jesus Christ and the apostles sound such urgent warnings to avoid the traditions of men?

Subversion from within the Church

As the apostles strove to establish still more congregations of believers among the nations, a phenomenon arose that eventually produced an alternate and outwardly Christian religion—but one quite different from the Church Jesus and His apostles established.

New and different doctrines were subtly introduced. Some began subverting the Church by challenging and contradicting the teachings of Christ's apostles. Paul warned, "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain" (Titus 1:10-11).

To counter this trend, Paul instructed fellow elder Titus to carefully consider the background, knowledge and character of anyone being considered for ordination: "Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless . . . He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it" (verses 7, 9, NIV).

Increasingly, "false apostles" began contradicting and undermining the teachings of the true apostles of Christ. Paul cautioned the church in Rome: "I urge you, brothers and sisters, to keep an eye on those who cause dissensions and offenses, in opposition to the teaching that you have learned; avoid them. For such people do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded. For while your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, I want you to be wise in what is good and guileless in what is evil" (Romans 16:17-19, NRSV).

Competing religious leaders, masquerading as ministers of Christ, began teaching their own false doctrines "in opposition to" Christ's apostles and other of his faithful servants. At first they came predominantly from a Jewish background. But then false teachers emerged from people of other backgrounds within the Church. The subversive doctrines that eventually grew to be the most influential were a blend of pagan and misguided Jewish philosophies synthesized with the mysticism popular at that time.

Simon the Sorcerer was one such false teacher mentioned early in the Scriptures. After his baptism by Philip, Simon attempted to buy the office of apostle from Peter, hoping to obtain the power to grant others the Holy Spirit. Motivated by his greed for power and influence, he faked conversion to appear Christian (Acts 8:9-23). Later historical sources indicate that he blended various elements of paganism and mysticism into a counterfeit-Christian philosophy.

A dangerous trend was established. Soon "false apostles," "false teachers" and "false brethren" abounded.

A counterfeit Christianity was born.

A different gospel gains ground

The impact of distorted teachings devastated the early Church. For example, Christians in the Roman province of Galatia turned en masse from the teachings of the apostle Paul and to a corrupted, cunningly devised but counterfeit gospel promoted by these false apostles.

Paul described the approach they used and the effect the false teachers had on Christians in Galatia: "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:6-7). The brethren in that area were being swept into one of the many sects making up the emerging false Christianity. Paul had to contend with religious strife generated by Jewish and gentile elements in the Galatian congregations.

These cunning pretenders did not reject outright the gospel Paul taught. They simply perverted aspects of it. Then they seduced the Galatian Christians into accepting their gospel—a deadly mixture of truth and error. It contained enough truth to appear righteous and Christian, but it contained sufficient error to prevent any who would accept it from receiving salvation.

Notice Paul's blistering condemnation of that "different" gospel: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (verses 8-9).

A gospel of no law

Jesus warned His apostles this would happen: "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Matthew 24:11-12). Jesus explained that lawlessness, the key element in the message of the false teachers, would make their ideas appealing and popular. Disregard for God's law would finally become the foundation of a popular and successful counterfeit Christianity.

The false prophets devised their message and doctrines by verbally acknowledging Jesus as "Lord" while refusing to obey Him (Luke 6:46). Jesus Himself warned of their deceitful, cunning approach: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15).

Jesus made it clear that teachers of lawlessness, who outwardly appear as innocent sheep performing devoutly religious acts, are not His apostles or servants: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (verses 22-23).

[Psalms91]

PTL Deceived many as do other's come up every day with a new approach to scam people. Soon they will all fall.

[SM1961]

Obviously this is a cut and paste but I will say that the one who writes this and groups all of these people together has many issues in their own life and is probably reacting to getting their own emotions met.
I certainly would not want to carry the burden of judging ALL these people.
BTW...just because someone screws up does not make them a false apostle or Christian...that of course would eliminate ALL the Apostles and Prophets in the entire Bible.
Jesus disliked people that spoke like the above post...at least that is what my Bible says.
Just my 02.
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[The Head Star]

My Bible says the same....

Amen!!