[thirddayrevival]

Jack,
I enjoy reading your comments but would have to dissagree with how it is to be done. I understand your being uncomfortable with the idea that I say I know this is God's will. At times I have to do a reality check to make sure I hear what I am saying and that it is true. While it is true that many things have been done in the name of God, we must not turn our ear away from His voice in our life. I am not exclusive to the hearing of God's voice in my life. If we are His sheep, we can know the shepards voice. Just like my son knows my voice in a crowd, we too can know God's voice among the crowd. So I do believe this is God's will and will say that with the most respect possible. The way in which we are to begin is different than any other I know. There are many national ministers that I love and respect, but the fact is, it hasn't been done yet. I believe that God is putting this in the hearts of many people, a unity of direction and purpose. So that He may receive the glory. I know there are hundreds of ways to accomplish anything. The key is to do this God's way. So while I dissagree with the premise that it would take a well-known minister, I do enjoy this forum of open discussion of the central issue....Restoring Heritage USA!
Sincerely,
Keith Smith

[Rick4404]

I want to take a moment to thank Keith Smith for responding to
the questions I posted the other day. I am also glad to see his group
is holding weekly meetings, and it certainly appears that he and his
group are serious about wanting to purchase the former Heritage USA
property and lead the restoration process.

In a potential transaction this large, it is quite understandable
that certain details cannot be made public up front.

[JTuricik]

It seems that Keith Smith and the Regent Park people are diametrically opposed to each other. They both have intentions and agendas, yet are going in different directions. From the comments made on these sites, they both could have Gods intentions with them. I wonder if they speak to each other?
That would be nice to read about, Keith Smith and the head of Regent Park having dialogue. This is something to pray about.
The beginning of a dialogue between them. That would be the
miracle that Heritage USA needs right now. - JT

[JACK]

Thank you for your comments Keith. Please understand I would never say God isn't leading you .I do believe God speaks to SOME of his sheep. The ones who are truly seeking him with their whole heart. For as the Word says " If I hold iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me ". It takes most Christians a long time if ever not to hold iniquity, not to hold on to pet sins, I'm 48 now and really on recently did I stop making excuses and realized I could no longer live with one foot in the world, doubting God and making excuses . Fortunately I found a great church with a great Pastor who loves God . It's great when you can strive for holiness with other serious belivers but ultimatly it comes down to a one on one relationship with the Lord. No one can do it for us. .. When I E-mailed you awhile back Keith I asked for a more detailed explanation of your plans to revive Heritage because I really want to see that happen. You emailed me what you had posted. I believe God expects his sheep to make informed choices . There are decievers out there and everyday Christians have a conversation with themselves and call it God. So the only way Keith I know of to find out about what God has called you to is ask. I have certainly not ruled out standing behind you if God touched my heart. Besides in order to pray effectivly we have to know some ( not all ) of the specifics. .. JT . I found what you said interesting. What is Regent Parks plans ? I imagine all homes. Rick - You seem like a wonderful brother in the Lord but I think you get nervous when the conversation turns to substance. I smiled when you revealed that you were a moderator in another Heritage group. Sometimes moderators try to stop the flow of conversation reducing a club or thread to inconsequential chit chat. Whereas I agree some material should be emailed and some stuff is gossip to stay away from, I don't think we need to have a spirit of fear in discussing important issues. The world thinks we are nuts anyway ! Keith I agree that God can use someone other than Jim Bakker or another well known Preacher. However the effort does need a leader with a gift for capturing people's imaginations while being rooted in the Word of God. In this day and age you do need TV to fill a Christian theme park, Jim Bakker had the ability to look in the camera and get you excited about finding Fort mill and coming to Heritage. Falwell and Cerullo did not. When you don't have that look what happens. They stop coming ! I would hope that any effort to reopen Heritage would not be hostile to Jim Bakker. He built it and has been through the fire of repentance. I remind you back in the old days one of Jim's major flaws was he resented anyone who asked probing questions. In the Shepard book " Forgiven " page 122 he writes , " when Bakker stood and declared ' the Lord told me ' others were powerless to object . The invocation of God's name could cover all sorts of excesses, " So ... inorder to avoid those mistakes the ministry goals have to be clear to all. This way coupled with prayer Christians will know if Third day revival is good soil. Jackster20032003@yahoo.com

[Rick4404]

I looked at Keith Smith's Web site and found the following contact
information. It is located at http://www.thirddayrevolution.com.

Hope this information is useful to anyone seeking more information
from Keith Smith's organization about their plans to restore Heritage
USA.

Have a fun day in Jesus!

In Christ,
Rick

Information follows:

Please feel free to contact us should you have need of additional
information concerning Third Day Revolution!

Third Millennium Ministries
2950 Hwy. 21 Business
Fort Mill, SC 29715

Toll Free Phone: 1-877-THIRDDAY or 1-877-844-7332
Email: contactus@thirddayrevolution.com

[Rick4404]

I noticed that a new Website with pictures about Heritage USA has
gone up at http://www.pbase.com. Here is the direct link to the
photos:

http://www.pbase.com/gallery?gallery_id=2033720

Both members and guests are allowed to post comments into the
topic's forum.

It looks like the site has only been up for a few weeks, judging
from the recent dates of the posts.

[Godhandmaiden]

Hi Im new here, I just want to say that I totally believe that Jim Bakker has truly repented for His action. I am glad that the Lord has restored him.

[Godhandmaiden]

Hi Im new here, I just want to say that I totally believe that Jim Bakker has truly repented for His action. I am glad that the Lord has restored him.

[Rick4404]

Originally posted by Godhandmaiden
Hi Im new here, I just want to say that I totally believe that Jim Bakker has truly repented for His action. I am glad that the Lord has restored him.

Welcome abouard Godhandmaiden!

Absolutely God has restored Jim Bakker. He has come out of this experience an even better man of God. He and his wife Lori Graham-Bakker seem to be very happy and are doing well with their new ministry in Branson, Mo. It is on the web at http://www.jimbakkershow.com. They host a daily television program from what is called the Studio City Cafe.

It isn't available on television locally in my area; but I have caught it on streaming video on the web. The show appears to be much of a reinvented PTL Club/Jim and Tammy show format. The show is on daily on the web on The Christian Television Network. http://www.ctnonline.com.

[Rick4404]

Originally posted by Rick4404
Tammy Faye as you recall divorced Jim after he was sent to federal prison. Jim was originally sentenced to 45 years in prison for federal fraud related charges. That sentence was shortened on appeal and he wound up serving approximately five years in prison. Tammy married of all people, Roe Messener, the head of the construction company that built many of the buildings on the Heritage USA property. Uncle Henry Harrison passed away a few years ago. Jim was released from prison and has remarried. I believe they live in California somewhere. I recall a news story about Uncle Henry's funeral, which was held in what was the Barn Auditorium of Heritage USA. At the request of his widow, Susan Harrison, Jim Bakker preached the funeral. Heritage USA was bought out of bankruptcy by I believe the Radisson Hotel chain which turned the property into a secular resort. Jamie Charles Bakker (who prefers to be called Jay) is a youth pastor and Tammy Sue eloped with gospel singer Gary Chapman. I am not personally acquainted with any of the above, but have gotten this information from various sources including news items.

I wanted to take a moment to correct the above information which I posted a while ago. Tammy Sue Bakker DID NOT marry gospel singer Gary Chapman. She married, and his since divorced, a young man by the name of Chapman who worked at Heritage USA. Jim Bakker and his new wife Lori Graham-Bakker (who by the way is NOT related in any way to the Billy Graham family) operate a new ministry in Branson, Mo. They televise a daily television program called The Jim Bakker Show http://www.jimbakkershow.com from a building called the Studio City Cafe in Branson.

[Rick4404]

To: TammyFaye@Yahoogroups.com, "JimBakkerPTLYesterdayandToday"
<JimBakkerPTLYesterdayandToday@yahoogroups.com>
From: "R Bell" <lovespirit2@sbcglobal.net> Add to Address Book
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:15:02 -0600
Subject: [JimBakkerPTLYesterdayandToday]

Christian-themed community, with Jim Bakker at center, planned

Associated Press

BLUE EYE, Mo. - A Branson developer plans to build a Christian-
themed residential community, with televangelist Jim Bakker's new
broadcast studio as the centerpiece.

Developer Jerry Crawford and his wife, Dee, have purchased 590 acres
just north of Blue Eye where a short-lived theme park called Camelot
was built in 1994. Blue Eye is along the Missouri-Arkansas border,
about 30 miles south of Branson, where Bakker currently tapes his
television show.

The planned development, called Morningside at Blue Eye, will offer
affordable housing and an environment conducive to such activities
as Bible study and counseling, Dee Crawford said.

"We've never gone into a project without edifying the Lord," Dee
Crawford said. "Our heart's desire is to make something that's
accessible for the people who need it."

But Jerry Crawford said faith will not be a requirement to buy into
the development.

Crawford, who has projects in several states, said he bought the
property adjacent to Blue Eye six months ago from an owner in Texas.
The Camelot theme park at the site operated for only three weeks
before it was abandoned. The developers disappeared, and lenders
foreclosed on the property.

Crawford asked the Blue Eye Board of Trustees on Thursday to annex
the property. He said he thought the proposed development could
bring taxes into Blue Eye, a town of 130 people that gets its only
revenue from state gasoline taxes and franchise agreements.

Mayor Jerry Kerns said the board could approve an annexation
ordinance at its next meeting on Feb. 10. And if the property is
developed, city officials might vote on a sales tax, he said.

Crawford said the first phase of Morningside will be a four-story
complex with 30 condominiums surrounding "Main Street," a climate-
controlled atrium with shops, a food court and a TV studio for
Bakker. The Crawfords will bankroll the estimated $6.5 million for
the first phase, Jerry Crawford said.

Ultimately, the Crawfords plan to build a variety of homes including
a gated area for more upscale residences. Nature trails and water
features are planned, and Crawford hopes to build a residential care
facility and an RV park on the property.

The Crawfords are longtime devotees of Bakker, who came to Branson
in 2002 at their behest.

Morningside will not be a time-share community, and Bakker has no
financial stake in the project, Jerry Crawford said.

Bakker's PTL Ministries in South Carolina was closed in 1989 after
he and other ministry officials were convicted and sent to prison
for mail fraud. He was released from prison in 1995 after serving
five years and came to Branson in 2002 at the Crawfords' invitation.
The Crawfords also own the Studio City Cafe, a Branson building they
rent to Bakker.

Bakker said he believes viewers from around the country will still
find him in Blue Eye.

"I'll do seminars, workshops, Bible study, restoration," Bakker
said. "I think it will work out better in the countryside. It'll be
a destination where people live, retire. I studied the Bible the
whole time I was in prison, so my heart is really in teaching now."

Information from: Springfield News-Leader,
http://www.springfieldnews-leader.com

[steveC]

I am interested in finding tapes/DVD's of the PTL Club telecasts as a prinary research source. Kindly advise asa to availability & costs - thanks

[Lady Star]

TO:

Anyone who might be interested in knowing:

Was by the Upper Room today and the " WALK OF FAITH " as it was known by, is indeed gone however the Upper room is still there.

[roboko]

This is for Rick4404 or anyone else that can help me.

I am trying to obtain a copy of...

PTL Partner Edition Holy Bible printing 1975.

Any help would be greatly appreicated. javascript:smilie('')

Roboko

[Lady Star]

Roboko;

If you are refering to the PTL first Edition with the red back It is extremely doubtful that there is one to be had.

When Regent Carolina Corp. sold the former GOODIE BARN building which housed a PTL Clothing outlet to a building material recycler they gave all of the contents of the building which at that time contained mostly PTL Memorabilia, tapes, books, Etc. to Roe Messner ( several residents and friends here helped load the trucks ) and he took it away.

You might try contacting : www.tammyfaye.com
and inquire if she has one.

You might also contact : www.jimbakkershow.com
or the Ministry Office at 417-339-4333 and inquire if he has one he might be willing to part with.

Good luck in your quest!

Ladystar